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Traveller-digest    Thursday, December 23 1999    Volume 1999 : Number 1569<BR>
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The following topics are covered in this digest:<BR>
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Re: Hiding education :was Geographical idiocy <BR>
Re: Terran polities<BR>
Re: Hiding education <BR>
Re: 1650BC (was Re: United States)<BR>
Re: Hiding education :was Geographical idiocy <BR>
Re: Drawing Program<BR>
Re: Terran polities<BR>
Re: Drawing Program<BR>
Re: FGMP<BR>
Re: Emperors of the Rule of Man #8<BR>
Re: Drawing Program<BR>
Re: Closedown...<BR>
Gunnery<BR>
Re: Drawing Program<BR>
Re: OT-- North Pole Standoff with the ATF<BR>
Re: Hiding education :was Geographical idiocy <BR>
Re: Warehouse 23<BR>
Re: Hiding education <BR>
Re: [OT] War of 1812<BR>
Re: Gunnery<BR>
Re: England<BR>
Re: Gunnery<BR>
Aslan (no longer Re: England)<BR>
Why use .jpg?<BR>
Re: Drawing Program<BR>
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 21:03:57 -0500<BR>
From: "Jory Earl" <j-man@iname.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Hiding education :was Geographical idiocy <BR>
<BR>
You even have to ask?  Just look around you.  We live in a declining,<BR>
stagnant society where the general distribution of mental capacity is 1 or 2<BR>
sigma's of standard deviation from the median.<BR>
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- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: "Thomas Vickers" <redroach@flex.net><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 1999 8:40 PM<BR>
Subject: Re: Hiding education :was Geographical idiocy<BR>
> What are we coming to?<BR>
><BR>
> TV<BR>
><BR>
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Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 14:55:30 +1300<BR>
From: "Rupert Boleyn" <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz><BR>
Subject: Re: Terran polities<BR>
<BR>
On 23 Dec 99, at 13:30, Kiri Aradia Morgan wrote:<BR>
 <BR>
> And I am pretty sure that the Tokugawa, to whom my Beloved One's family<BR>
> were once retainers (don't get him started on the Meiji), had a pretty<BR>
> good sense of Japan as a nation-- and what they did and did not want<BR>
> coming into and out of that nation.<BR>
<BR>
From what little I've read of Japanese history the Japanese people had <BR>
a sense of their being culturally and politically different (dare I say <BR>
superior) from everyone else well before that.<BR>
<BR>
In Europe while it's true that the average peasant (or knight for that <BR>
matter) didn't really care whether their lord was French, English or <BR>
German, they were perfectly aware of whether they themselves were <BR>
French, etc. Most people's aleigance was to their family, village and <BR>
(maybe) lord, not their country, but they had pride in their <BR>
"nationality" (perhaps in their culture would be a better way to put <BR>
it).<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
- --<BR>
Rupert Boleyn <paradise.net.nz><BR>
Wellington, New Zealand<BR>
<BR>
A pessimist is an optimist with a sense of history.<BR>
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 17:59:01 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Hiding education <BR>
<BR>
>From: "Douglas E. Berry"<BR>
<gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
<BR>
>I know very few adults who can recite the alphabet <BR>
>without starting to sing it.  <BR>
<BR>
I once had a dream in which I was singing the alphabet<BR>
backwards -- and ever since then, I've been able to<BR>
recite it both forwards and backwards. (It was<BR>
probably caused by my Russian teacher (ex-US Army<BR>
Intelligence) insisting that we learn the Russian<BR>
alphabet forwards and backwards.)  <BR>
<BR>
>Kirsten and I were horrified to discover that we both<BR>
>remember the words to the Dukes of Hazzard theme.<BR>
<BR>
I met a pianist with an amazing musical memory some<BR>
time ago.  He could play, by ear, anything that he had<BR>
heard once or twice.  He confessed that wasn't always<BR>
a good thing.  He said that he remembers perfectly<BR>
every note and word of "Afternoon Delight."  <BR>
<BR>
Does the Silly Era page have any advertising jingles? <BR>
<BR>
<BR>
- --Glenn<BR>
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Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 15:02:06 +1300<BR>
From: "Rupert Boleyn" <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz><BR>
Subject: Re: 1650BC (was Re: United States)<BR>
<BR>
On 23 Dec 99, at 20:56, Mark Watson wrote:<BR>
 <BR>
> >> Myceneans<BR>
> Mycenae is probably a tributary of Crete in 1650. Somewhere<BR>
> between then and 1550 Mycenae starts to become more dominant, but<BR>
> Mycenae's height is around 1300. <BR>
<BR>
This seems to depend on whether the person doing the writing thinks the <BR>
Myceneans learnt from the Minoans by being subject, or just by <BR>
importing Minoan artisans, etc, possibly by piracy and raiding. <BR>
Personally I go for the Myceneans being a pack of pirates who copied <BR>
things from their betters, and took over Crete after Thera wiped out <BR>
most of the Minoan Navy and basing.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
- --<BR>
Rupert Boleyn <paradise.net.nz><BR>
Wellington, New Zealand<BR>
<BR>
A pessimist is an optimist with a sense of history.<BR>
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 19:56:34 -0600<BR>
From: "Thomas Vickers" <redroach@flex.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Hiding education :was Geographical idiocy <BR>
<BR>
I don't know.<BR>
I work with a lot of very intelligent kids.<BR>
Their main problem is that they view education as an<BR>
interuption to their social lives.<BR>
If they wiuld take it a little more seriously things would<BR>
be better for everyone.<BR>
I had one student (a particularly insepid boy with the tendency toward<BR>
trouble) proclaim<BR>
that he would be president one day and things would change in the US.<BR>
He was a bit shocked when I informed him that it would never happen while  I<BR>
owned a gun.<BR>
<BR>
TV<BR>
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 20:05:11 -0600<BR>
From: eris@pcola.gulf.net<BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program<BR>
<BR>
On 12/23/99 at 10:57 AM,  "Jory Earl" <j-man@iname.com> said:<BR>
<BR>
>Unfortunately the potentially best computer, the Amiga, fell by the<BR>
>wayside years ago.<BR>
<BR>
Didn't Gateway buy the rights to the Amiga a couple years ago?  If so did<BR>
they bury it or do they plan to do anything with it?<BR>
<BR>
Eris<BR>
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 18:13:33 -0800<BR>
From: "Kiri Aradia Morgan" <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Terran polities<BR>
<BR>
>Kiri Aradia Morgan wrote:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
>I do not want to diminish the accomplishments of Chinese bureaucrats over<BR>
their several thousand years worth of history. Nonetheless, forgive to use<BR>
Europe as an example, it is the turf I know. ;) Which brings me to a<BR>
question: Tracing your lineage is good and well - I know German families<BR>
that can trace their lineage to a few hundred years before the founding of<BR>
German state - but how old is the term 'nation' in Chinese?<BR>
>Did it exist per se, or did it need some special incentive to give the<BR>
Chinese an identity as  Chinese? (Special incentive= a government bent on<BR>
seperating its citizens from all others - or, in the case of Germany,some<BR>
students wanting a unified state or some other I don't think of...)<BR>
><BR>
I am not sure; I don't speak Chinese, it was one of the things the Chinese<BR>
ex complained about.  Someone else might know.<BR>
<BR>
>> Kiri  =)<BR>
><BR>
>That is one h**l of a name. Do you mind if use it for a NPC? =)<BR>
><BR>
<BR>
All of it...?  I'd rather not.  I'm planning to sell some books before long<BR>
and it might come back on you.<BR>
<BR>
But feel free to use parts of it, they're not copyrighted.  Kiri is Japanese<BR>
and means either "fog" or "paulownia tree" depending on how you write it.  I<BR>
write it using "fog".  Aradia is Tuscan and is the name of the goddess who<BR>
was the daughter of Diana and a god whom the Tuscans called Lucifer but is<BR>
pretty clearly Apollo and not the Christian Devil.  Morgan is a fairly<BR>
common last name.<BR>
<BR>
Kiri  =)<BR>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<BR>
Kiri Aradia Morgan      93!      Thou Art God...<BR>
tiamat@tsoft.com<BR>
<BR>
"That wickedness weltering around inside of you, inside of everyone, is<BR>
sacred somewhere.  There's<BR>
a deity out here who digs it.  You can respect and love your darkest side,<BR>
disposing of only what is obsolete or impractical.  It's all about giving<BR>
yourself permission."<BR>
                              -- Jack Darkhand<BR>
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 20:11:54 -0600<BR>
From: "Thomas Vickers" <redroach@flex.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program<BR>
<BR>
Gateway owns the Amiga.<BR>
Rumors have been circulating ever since. <BR>
Everything from sit on it to marketing a new Monster powered Amiga.<BR>
<BR>
Personally, I miss my old Amiga.<BR>
Damn thing was nice.<BR>
<BR>
TV<BR>
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 20:26:57 -0600<BR>
From: eris@pcola.gulf.net<BR>
Subject: Re: FGMP<BR>
<BR>
On 12/23/99 at 08:00 AM,  "Bruce Macintosh"<BR>
<bruce.macintosh@worldnet.att.net> said:<BR>
<BR>
>>It also appears that I need to find the<BR>
>>errata for TNE because the pen for the FGMP was listed as 12-6-3, and that<BR>
>>didn't make sense.<BR>
<BR>
>It's the bizzare TNE difference between "pen rating" and "pen value". (I<BR>
>like TNE, but the rules are badly written.)<BR>
<BR>
In some cases, this one included, I wholeheartedly agree.<BR>
<BR>
The way GURPS hands damage and armor seems a lot cleaner, and clearer, to<BR>
me.  I also like the fact that you can use the same scale from personal<BR>
all the way up to ship to ship combat.<BR>
<BR>
Eris<BR>
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 21:30:32 EST<BR>
From: JFZeigler@aol.com<BR>
Subject: Re: Emperors of the Rule of Man #8<BR>
<BR>
In a message dated 12/23/99 6:58:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, <BR>
wombat@premier.net writes:<BR>
<BR>
> I was going over some old TML posts (looking for keyboard kills), and I<BR>
>  noticed that I never told you what "Albadawi" means.  It's Arabic for<BR>
>  "The Bedouin."<BR>
>  <BR>
>  So, find an early colony with a large Arab population....<BR>
<BR>
Interesting.  Actually, I don't think I included Albadawi after all (I had<BR>
a lot of "personality" sidebars and never got around to him).  But by<BR>
coincidence I do have an early colony with a lot of Arab settlement.<BR>
Maybe if I need another sidebar I can include that detail in the final<BR>
draft.  Thanks!<BR>
<BR>
Jon F. Zeigler<BR>
JFZeigler@aol.com<BR>
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 21:42:10 -0500<BR>
From: "Jory Earl" <j-man@iname.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program<BR>
<BR>
Yes they did, but Microsoft pressured them to bury it.<BR>
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- ----- Original Message ----- <BR>
From: <eris@pcola.gulf.net><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 1999 9:05 PM<BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> On 12/23/99 at 10:57 AM,  "Jory Earl" <j-man@iname.com> said:<BR>
> <BR>
> >Unfortunately the potentially best computer, the Amiga, fell by the<BR>
> >wayside years ago.<BR>
> <BR>
> Didn't Gateway buy the rights to the Amiga a couple years ago?  If so did<BR>
> they bury it or do they plan to do anything with it?<BR>
> <BR>
> Eris<BR>
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> eris@pcola.gulf.net    using MR/2 ICE #245<BR>
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> <BR>
> <BR>
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Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 12:50:27 +1000<BR>
From: "The Roc" <roc@kewl.com.au><BR>
Subject: Re: Closedown...<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: SD Mooney <dom@cybergoths.u-net.com><BR>
<BR>
> <XMAIL> With immediate effect, this station is shutting down for<BR>
> annual overindulgence in alcohol, rich food and family fun.<BR>
><BR>
> Have a great Christmas and New Year period, no matter what your<BR>
> beliefs. </XMAIL><BR>
><BR>
<BR>
It is Christmas eve here in Australia and I to shall be shutting down about<BR>
3-4 P.M. for the weekend fo my family's "annual overindulgence in alcohol,<BR>
rich food and family fun."<BR>
<BR>
Tale care and have a good one all!  May your festivities be festive, be<BR>
well, and Merry Christmas!<BR>
<BR>
- -- The Roc<BR>
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 20:33:54 -0600<BR>
From: eris@pcola.gulf.net<BR>
Subject: Gunnery<BR>
<BR>
On 12/23/99 at 08:27 AM,  shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) said:<BR>
<BR>
>Well, I'm rather fond of the description in Heinlein's "Citizen of the<BR>
>Galaxy". Basicly, while the computer does most of the work, the gunner is<BR>
>constanly using his "trained intuition" to suggest options "What if he<BR>
>changes course or accel like *this*?" "What if we do *that*?"<BR>
<BR>
>Basicly, while the computer is working away on a move/response decision<BR>
>tree (like the "look ahead" function in chess programs) the human is<BR>
>suggesting which branches of the "tree" are most worth following (the<BR>
>"value" function of the chess program). <BR>
<BR>
I agree, and that is the goal for Gunnery IMTU, *but* just how to you<BR>
roleplay that?  No, that's not the question..."How do you *roll* play<BR>
that?"...that's closer to what I mean.<BR>
<BR>
In short, what kind of mechanics could I put into a game that would<BR>
capture that feel?<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Eris<BR>
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 21:45:11 -0500<BR>
From: "Jory Earl" <j-man@iname.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program<BR>
<BR>
Yes.  I had an Amiga500 back in 1990.  Better than SoundBlaster quality<BR>
sound years before the PC even had a soundblaster card.  #d grfx too.<BR>
Remember the demo from Newtek with the girl leaning out of the monitor<BR>
screen on the desktop?  Or the 3d morphing?  All on a 7.2 MHz 8-bit machine!<BR>
___________________________________________________________<BR>
 J-Man<BR>
 ICQ# 2843475<BR>
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 Email : j-man@iname.com<BR>
 Home Page : http://www.geocities.com/~jman037/<BR>
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- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: "Thomas Vickers" <redroach@flex.net><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 1999 9:11 PM<BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> Gateway owns the Amiga.<BR>
> Rumors have been circulating ever since.<BR>
> Everything from sit on it to marketing a new Monster powered Amiga.<BR>
><BR>
> Personally, I miss my old Amiga.<BR>
> Damn thing was nice.<BR>
><BR>
> TV<BR>
><BR>
<BR>
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 21:45:44 -0500<BR>
From: "Jory Earl" <j-man@iname.com><BR>
Subject: Re: OT-- North Pole Standoff with the ATF<BR>
<BR>
With Mrs. Claus?  <sorry, had to say it..:) ><BR>
___________________________________________________________<BR>
 J-Man<BR>
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 Email : j-man@iname.com<BR>
 Home Page : http://www.geocities.com/~jman037/<BR>
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- ----- Original Message ----- <BR>
From: "Josh W. Spencer" <macmanjws@earthlink.net><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 1999 7:12 PM<BR>
Subject: Re: OT-- North Pole Standoff with the ATF<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> On 12/23/1999 18:42, Kiri Aradia Morgan wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> > Dec. 23, 1999<BR>
> > Northpole Standoff<BR>
> <snip> <BR>
> </snip><BR>
> <BR>
> Gee where was Bill when all this went down? :) :)<BR>
> <BR>
> -- <BR>
> Josh<BR>
> <BR>
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 18:18:03<BR>
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Hiding education :was Geographical idiocy <BR>
<BR>
At 07:40 PM 12/23/1999 -0600, you wrote:<BR>
>Those SchoolHouse Rock shorts are one of the most successful teaching tools<BR>
>we have now. I made sure our history department has all the videos for how<BR>
>laws become bills etc..<BR>
>I even think the Math Dept uses the math ones :)<BR>
<BR>
You can buy the original songs, as well as a CD of some of the better ones<BR>
done by modern groups!<BR>
<BR>
>Strange thing, we watched them on Saturday mornings, but kids<BR>
>today depend on their teachers to buy them and show them at school.<BR>
>What are we coming to?<BR>
<BR>
Well, Saturday morning cartoons don't really exist as they did in the Good<BR>
Old Days...  Get up at 0700 with a bowl of Frosted Flakes and remain tied<BR>
to the tube until noon.<BR>
<BR>
http://genxtvland.simplenet.com/<BR>
<BR>
"Wonder Twin powers, ACTIVATE!!<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
<BR>
Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com<BR>
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html<BR>
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 18:28:41<BR>
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Warehouse 23<BR>
<BR>
At 12:28 AM 12/24/1999 -0000, you wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>Now, what I want to know is, what happens when using this device to view the<BR>
>keystrokes of a TML subscriber if they undergo an IKS* <g><BR>
<BR>
It explodes, doing 6dx2000 (exp).<BR>
- -- <BR>
<BR>
Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com<BR>
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html<BR>
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 18:39:06<BR>
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Hiding education <BR>
<BR>
At 05:59 PM 12/23/1999 -0800, you wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>Does the Silly Era page have any advertising jingles? <BR>
<BR>
Not *yet*<BR>
<BR>
That is a challenge folks.. let's hear some advertising jingles for Famile<BR>
Spofulam or General Products.<BR>
- -- <BR>
<BR>
Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com<BR>
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html<BR>
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 18:39:47 -0800<BR>
From: "Jason T. Barnabas" <cybernaut@netzero.net><BR>
Subject: Re: [OT] War of 1812<BR>
<BR>
SFC Groth <wombat@premier.net> wrote:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> Leonard Erickson wrote:<BR>
> ><BR>
> > In mail you write:<BR>
> ><BR>
> > > I have been known to.  Very often if they do get them,<BR>
> > > they serve as important clues.  I have had groups chase<BR>
> > > after the elusive Crimson Clupeidae or the Scarlet<BR>
> > > AleWife for months, even years (of game time).<BR>
><BR>
> Did they have to chop down any trees with either of those?<BR>
<BR>
How do you chop down trees with someone else's starship?<BR>
<BR>
Oh, I didn't make it clear that those are names of starships,<BR>
did I.  Sorry.  They both were.<BR>
<BR>
Has anyone figured out what significance such a ship<BR>
would have?<BR>
<snip><BR>
- --<BR>
Jason<BR>
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 18:40:06 -0800<BR>
From: "Jason T. Barnabas" <cybernaut@netzero.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Gunnery<BR>
<BR>
SFC Groth <wombat@premier.net> wrote:<BR>
> I prefer that Gunnery skill, at least at the turret level, should more<BR>
> closely resemble Han and Luke on the Millennium Falcon in SW:ANH.  Less<BR>
> realistic, but more dramatic.  (With sentiments like that, now you see<BR>
> why I haven't yet progressed beyond "Journeyman Gearhead.")<BR>
<BR>
I consider myself to be a "Master Gearhead" and yet I<BR>
still prefer things like this.  I am also a "Power Player"<BR>
from way back, but still embrase the "Role Player"<BR>
philosophy of gaming.<BR>
- --<BR>
Jason<BR>
___________________________________________<BR>
    The rules have changed...  Get paid to surf the web.<BR>
http://www.alladvantage.com/home.asp?refid=BMM-972<BR>
Please tell them BMM-972 if they ask who recruited you.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 02:08:19 -0000<BR>
From: "Nick Bradbeer" <nickb@ndirect.co.uk><BR>
Subject: Re: England<BR>
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>I believe that most Germans (civilian and military) died as a direct or<BR>
>indirect result of aerial bombardment.  The USA bombed during the day,<BR>
>and the UK by night.<BR>
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ISTR the Dresden Firestorm killed more people in a night than both the<BR>
nuclear attacks on Japan combined.<BR>
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Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 02:12:18 -0000<BR>
From: "Nick Bradbeer" <nickb@ndirect.co.uk><BR>
Subject: Re: Gunnery<BR>
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>"The spinal mount operator's seat - the wildest rollercoaster ride on the<BR>
>ship!"<BR>
>IIRC, The T4 Naval Architect's handbook<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
I never undertood that one. To quote:<BR>
<BR>
"...and the workstation turns and banks along with the weapon."<BR>
<BR>
Now, maybe it's me, but I had this crazy idea the spinal mount was so called<BR>
because it was about two hundred metres long and embedded firmly into the<BR>
spine of the ship. And if the ship turns, the weapon stations turns with it.<BR>
<BR>
Can anyone throw in a plausible explanation?<BR>
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 20:41:28 -0600<BR>
From: eris@pcola.gulf.net<BR>
Subject: Aslan (no longer Re: England)<BR>
<BR>
On 12/23/99 at 08:19 AM,  shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) said:<BR>
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>> Imperium, including Asgard, Saurus, and Tavonni.  The ihatei live to<BR>
>> annex.  That's what they do.<BR>
<BR>
>I beg to differ. The ihatei would *prefer* to find land that nobody<BR>
>claimed. Failing that, they'll settle for what they can take away from<BR>
>others.<BR>
<BR>
Clear something up for me, please.  The Aslan male has a territorial<BR>
imperitive...they need land.  Okay, but how *much* land to they really<BR>
need?  Would a 40 acre wood be enough, or do they need a tract the size of<BR>
Rhode Island?  Would ownership of an entire moon, a tract of land on a<BR>
vacuum world, or a 100 sq km space habitat be acceptable?<BR>
<BR>
Eris<BR>
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 18:40:34 -0800<BR>
From: "Jason T. Barnabas" <cybernaut@netzero.net><BR>
Subject: Why use .jpg?<BR>
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I have noticed a recurring complaint on the TML.  Many<BR>
of you do graphics on one system or another and then<BR>
convert the graphics to .jpg format for display on your<BR>
web-sites.  You don't like the way they look and I can<BR>
understand why.  Believe it or not, .gif is much better<BR>
suited to many such applications.  Illos of people or<BR>
places usually don't look good in .gif, but even very<BR>
complex line drawings look excellent in that format and<BR>
will probably download faster.<BR>
<BR>
When I do graphics, I usually use Paint Shop Pro and<BR>
often save my work in both formats (as well as .psp for<BR>
later modifications) just to be able to compare them side<BR>
by side, then use whichever looks best and/or is the<BR>
smallest and delete the other one.  The disadvantage to<BR>
.gif is that it is limited to 256 colors max, but for most<BR>
things 256 colors is plenty.  For simple deck plans, 2<BR>
(b/w) will do and with .gif, you get nice crisp images for<BR>
web display.<BR>
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 20:38:14 -0600<BR>
From: "Thomas Vickers" <redroach@flex.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program<BR>
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I had the privilege to own an Amiga 1000 back in 1986 :)<BR>
Life was really good when I was in TV News and video production. We had nice<BR>
fancy Amiga 4000's with Video Toasters to play with.  Man the rendering you<BR>
could do with the old Lightwave.<BR>
That was before the days of HD's :)<BR>
I remember when 20meg HD's for an Amiga were nearly $1000.<BR>
<BR>
TV<BR>
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From: Jory Earl <j-man@iname.com><BR>
To: traveller@lists.imagiconline.com <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Date: Thursday, December 23, 1999 8:36 PM<BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program<BR>
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>Yes.  I had an Amiga500 back in 1990.  Better than SoundBlaster quality<BR>
>sound years before the PC even had a soundblaster card.  #d grfx too.<BR>
>Remember the demo from Newtek with the girl leaning out of the monitor<BR>
>screen on the desktop?  Or the 3d morphing?  All on a 7.2 MHz 8-bit<BR>
machine!<BR>
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>----- Original Message -----<BR>
>From: "Thomas Vickers" <redroach@flex.net><BR>
>To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
>Sent: Thursday, December 23, 1999 9:11 PM<BR>
>Subject: Re: Drawing Program<BR>
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>> Gateway owns the Amiga.<BR>
>> Rumors have been circulating ever since.<BR>
>> Everything from sit on it to marketing a new Monster powered Amiga.<BR>
>><BR>
>> Personally, I miss my old Amiga.<BR>
>> Damn thing was nice.<BR>
>><BR>
>> TV<BR>
>><BR>
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